Everyone is entitled to their own view and how they run their site. What this page is about is why we disagree with sites that want you to pay to see what's behind their "members only" or "special information" sections which carry the same information you will find here and elsewhere on the internet. They claim that every other site out there has copied them and their copyright stolen. What they mean is that they have COPIED IT RIGHT as the information on their sites has been copied from everywhere else also.

We are the first, original etc, so that you think their site is the only one with valuable information.

While you may find information similar, all internet sites have copied from elsewhere, being the first site really means nothing.

The site owner promises he/they are with you all the way and you can contact them at any time.

Yes, once they have your money and your membership is current they are, we have an easy access free forum and many members which allows you access to a lot more people to help in time of need or help you find the answers you need.

The site makes claims (to play on a persons fear of the unknown) they have secret important or "must have" information in a members only section that you have to pay to access.

Usually once you have paid, (One site charges more than $70.00 USD a year!) you usually find it worthless or could have been gained for free elsewhere. Here you will find the same level of support, information and offers to help as on other sites which are free.

The site mentions a black list of "people to watch out for or scammers".

This one is the biggest lies specifically with the intention to steal your money, as much as the site claims these "listed" people are out to take your money there is a 99.9% chance you will never meet, see or be contacted by those on their list. So who is the real scammer in this case then? A further explanation of black list pages is contained in the next section.

Personal experience and views on "Black List" pages.

First let me give you a little bit of past history to explain further my views on the last statement above. In 2006 I decided to look oversea's for a Chinese wife. Why? One of my best friends was married and very happy (still is) living in Hong Kong. I have liked Asian culture for many years and also liked the values that Asian women bring to a marriage and relationship. All alone I met and flew to Hong Kong to meet a woman who came to meet me from China. We weren't compatible and she expected me to buy her lots of things and spend a small fortune on her, well I applied the same thinking as I would with any woman from my own home town. I said goodbye to her rather quickly. Anyway after another failed attempt (just non-compatibility) I found my now current wife. It's a lot of expense flying to another country to meet someone and when you can't speak the language it's even harder. I found a site that was initially helpful, the members section got me intrigued, this time I was going to the Chinese mainland not Hong Kong where I could find help a lot easier if I needed to.

So I paid and joined, well the first thing I did was check the blacklist and thought thank goodness the lady I was writing to is not on there! We met and got married and we are both very happy together living in Australia. I was a member of a forum linked off that site and later was asked to become a moderator, I had a problem with some family members of my wife which caused me some extra expenses (nothing on the web site I paid to join had any information on this or similar warnings!), the owner of the site asked to to write up what happened and it was placed on the secret hidden pages, as i was onboard with the ideals which I thought at the time was to help others I was happy to do my bit. Gee I was to be sadly disappointed soon.

Along comes a story of bad luck, this from a guy who married and bought his wife to the U.S.A and how she took off back to China after only a few months and how she took money from him. All painted very black against the woman indeed. Well the problem with this story is that only half the story was ever posted, first the other side will be told here and then the reasons why it is still there. As moderators of the other website's forum we all got emails for requests to help all the time (which we don't mind doing) however we received two regarding this alleged bad conduct of the woman. One from her and one from her family. Her side of the story was totally different to what was displayed on the "Black List" page. The woman freely admitted she took money from him: Why? To escape from a terrible life!
What wasn't told by the man when he asked for her to be listed was:

She was forced to get a job while he (retired) stayed at home and her wages were paid into his account not a joint account.

She was given a meager amount to shop with, but he still paid the bill as she was not allowed to handle his money.

His house he told her was worth 1 million dollars, that much was true, what he didn't tell her was that other houses in the same street were valued at several times more!, it was run down and in need of repair and he refused to fix even the basic things to make it liveable. A sty is still a sty regardless of price.

Even though she froze every night because he demanded the air conditioning be left on, she was not allowed to sleep in another room to get a good nights rest even after catching a cold.

All housework duties, meals etc were her responsibilty even though she had to go to work each day while he stayed at home.

She only took enough money to cover her plane ticket home and some money for expenditure on the way and what she thought she had earned while working there, less food! Not the huge amount of money he claimed she stole from him.

Her movements and contact with her son (finishing school for the remainder of the year) or family in China was restricted, and she was not allowed to make any friends

Now on one of my trips to China her family actually tracked me down when I was in Nanning and pleaded to make the story known so people would not think she was the person as described by this fellow. They were genuine in their appeal and what their daughter experienced had made her adamant to never marry another foreigner. She was grateful that he had paid for her son's education while he was in China but it was at his insistence not a request from her.

Another moderator who had been contacted also and I emailed the owner of the website and presented him with both sides of the story, he initially took the story down but when this member complained about his story not being there and asking for his membership fee back it was quickly re-instated and we were told the story was important to be on display to give an impression of value for money. Nothing about a genuine story to help others, no mention of maintaining the integrity of the woman (or the site) by publishing her side of it, excuse given was she was not a member and couldn't be believed (but the member could ?).
The owner would only come on his forum occasionally to complain about the questions being asked and answered on the forum and threatening to close it down because the answers given for a lot of procedures were in the pay to view pages and affecting his membership's (read money in his pocket). The moderators were given the forum to run and he claimed he wanted nothing further to do with it but would not hand over the admin details so we could continue to run it without the rug being pulled from under all the members if the whim took his fancy. We opened our own website and forum and as the two other moderators had written most of the information for his site in the beginning, they too left and with myself became joint and equal administrators and continued to write information and updated procedures for the new site and forum, which is contary to the claims of the other site about being copied as they had written most of it anyway in the beginning.

As the site owner has done in the past with anyone opening a free helpful site for others of a similar nature, he makes threats and tries bullying tactic's, well let them. What we disagree with are lies to trap people into believing they need this bogus black list information and play on their fears or inexperience to get money out of them. We promised to remain free to our members through the desire to help freely and still keep this promise. Listed on our site: One of the best sites for Asian Dating and Marriage Scams who also don't charge you to see the information. By following common sense and the Red Flags (on this site) and tips and advice of others (on the free forum) you don't need to hand over more than $70.00 USD a year for a picture of a woman there is a 99.9% chance you will not meet or is the person you are writing to. Just to make sure you understand what I am saying before you make up your own mind.

We promised to remain free to our members through the desire to help freely and still keep this promise. Listed on our site: One of the best sites for Asian Dating and Marriage Scams who also don't charge you to see the information. By following common sense and the Red Flags (on this site) and tips and advice of others (on the free forum) you don't need to hand over more than $70.00 USD a year for a picture of a woman there is a 99.9% chance you will not meet or is the person you are writing to.
If you choose to join another forum that is OK too but please.....

Don't let yourself be tricked, conned or Rob'D by any site wanting money from you for membership.
The only value goes into the website owner's pocket, not the membership. Use only quality free sites.